never1
Posted: Sun, 12/05/2004 - 1:27pm

I think Gavin Griffith is a player we will be seeing a lot of after this past WSOP. He takes more risks like the 20-30 year-old players do today.



jennwilkinson77
Posted: Sat, 11/26/2005 - 12:34pm

I think Annie Duke is the best!



thepokerpubstl
Posted: Sat, 11/26/2005 - 12:48pm

I agree Never1!!!

Annie is a great player....but for godsake, THERE IS NO CRYING IN POKER!!!!! :twisted:



Pappy
Posted: Sun, 11/27/2005 - 4:55pm

tell that to jennifer harmon.....awww....what's a matter...did you let someone draw to the straight flush???

muhahahah....MUHAHAHAHA



never1
Posted: Tue, 11/29/2005 - 10:27am

Yeah and did you hear what she said when he flipped over his cards "You have what I thought you had...." :shock:



Pappy
Posted: Tue, 11/29/2005 - 2:12pm

lol...i love when players say that after throwing in a considerable ammount of their chips in...you can say that after throwing in a little bit of your chips just to see what your opponent had to help get a read, but at that stage of the game...if that is what you thought he had, throw it away....lol.....can't stand her anyway....



fast_eddie
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 12:41pm

Harmon wasn't upset that she was drawn out on....she was upset because the guy slow-rolled her (e.g. saying "you have a flush? too bad for me I only have two pair - a pair of red fives and a pair of black fives") Very bad poker ettiquette.



JessiJamesH
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 1:38pm

Eddie,

The incident Pappy & never1 are referring to occured in the WSOP Main Event last year. Harmon lost to a straight flush. I'm not aware of the incident you reference.



Pappy
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 2:15pm

Yeah, she was pissed because he hit the nut straight flush on the river. She bet out a lot, and he called saying something like "well, if I lose this hand I can spend my time sight seeing".

I think she was mad at herself for letting him get to the river, but even more cause the guy knew he had the nuts and kinda showed her up by his little speech.



armand33m
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 3:41pm

Jessi and Pappy,

What she was upset about was he was holding the nuts on the river, and then thought for a long time before making the call (slow rolled it) and didnt reveal his cards until after she finally flipped hers even though she was the caller.

She wasnt as upset about him hitting the straight flush, she was upset with him not flipping it right away when he knew he had the nuts. It didnt show it that way on TV due to the editting, so she caught alot of flack for her being upset.

Armand



JessiJamesH
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 4:13pm

You're right, TV did not show it that way. They made it look like she was whining about getting sucked-out. I don't blame her for being upset for being slow-rolled. I would have been pissed also.



Pappy
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 4:14pm

Could be, but she made a point of calling him out for making that stupid speech. Her big point was he said "if I don't win" when he knew there was no way he could lose. Point made on the slow roll at the end. No reason for it.

She wasn't the caller though, she bet into him. She was first to act and put him all in on the river, and THEN he took forever to call, and threw out that "well, if I lose..." comment. I don't know if he checked it to her, but I am positive she led the betting on the river.

In fact, here is the play by play for the hand...Jennifer in fact led into him...

From Kid Dynamite's World:

Jennifer Harmon was involved in a gutwrenching see-saw hand early on with blinds at 20-50. Jen raised to 200 from early position, and Cory Zeidman called behind her with 8d9d. The small blind also called with A-6 offsuit.

Jen liked the TsJdQh flop, but Cory's ass end of the straight made him even happier. The SB checked, Jen bet 500, and Cory raised to 2,000. Jen, sensing she might have a problem, called.

The turn brough the Ten of Diamonds, giving Jen the second nuts, but giving Cory additional outs if he feared he was up against A-K. As it turned out, since Jen held the Q of diamonds, Cory was drawing to a single out: the 7 of diamonds for a straight flush.

Jen checked the turn, and Cory fired out a HORRIBLE bet: 1,000. Jen check-raised to 3,000, and Cory started talking to himself, wondering how he could possible muck this hand. He eventually made the call, and was delighted with the miracle river: the seven of diamonds!

Jen put him all in, and he Hollywooded a little before calling, which sent Jen right to Tiltville.



Shortround
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 4:57pm

Still, that's the kind of slow play conduct I expect at a local game but not at that level. I'm not a big fan of hers either but it amazes me how sometimes poker brings out the worst in some people even at the top level.



JessiJamesH
Posted: Tue, 03/28/2006 - 7:08pm

Shortround wrote:
Still, that's the kind of slow play conduct I expect at a local game but not at that level. I'm not a big fan of hers either but it amazes me how sometimes poker brings out the worst in some people even at the top level.

I'm sorry, but the WSOP (especially the Main Event) has become something of a joke. With so many players winning their way in, the overwhelming majority of players are no better than your average "free poker" player. If every player had to put up the $10,000 themselves, I think things would be different.



Pappy
Posted: Wed, 03/29/2006 - 8:55am

I agree 100% with both of the above comments....unfortunately..



Shortround
Posted: Wed, 03/29/2006 - 9:57am

The lower level players win a seat and the upper levels have it paid for by their sponsor companies. That leaves the rest for the rich people to buy their way in.

I wonder what percentage are just good players who aren't yet good enough for a sponsor but pay the $10K out of pocket.

I hope to someday win a seat myself. I'm not nearly at the level of the top players; not even close but I'll bet you I could conduct myself better than some of them not matter where I finished.