simplegirl85
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 11:37am

I been playing poker for a few different promotions, and one thing that I have noticed is that there are some people that think that they are so cool that they can sit there with their blue tooth or ear phones in both ears and think they can play cards. It is really starting to irritate me when they look over and ask if I have checked or bet, and they do it every hand, every street.

I know its freebie poker, but come on, these losers need to pull the shit out of their ears or pay attention a little better.

This one guy thinks he is so cool that he can play cards and talk on his bluetooth at the same time, and its like how disrespectful is that to the table? I mean, people who get calls on their cell phones have the courtesy to step away from the table, what makes it different? Is it that they are too fuckin lazy, or they are so good at poker that they are special.



Shortround
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 12:09pm

I agree . . . actually MORE than agree. I think poker at all levels ought to ban sunglasses, ipods, cell phones, blackberry's, headsets, earphones, et al. within 5 feet of the table.

:cool: You can be cool when you walk in and when you leave.

Otherwise sit down and play poker and show a little class.

:sad: Unfortunately it'll never happen. Class is a commodity in short supply these days. Too many Phil the Brat//Mike the Mouth wannabe's out there.



Pappy
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 3:11pm

I am one of these people that wear earphones with my ipod, but I do it cause of all the asshat analysts that sit at the table that have to analyze every hand and comment every freakin time they make a move...

"gee, that is in interesting bet, but I am just going to have to lay these bad boys down"...

"wow...this is a tough hand to play but blah blah blah...."

tell you what...when people stop being asshats at the table, then I will stop wearing my earphones. I want to concentrate on my game, not what these morons are talking about.

For me, it isn't about being cool...its about relaxing, concentrating, and having a good time.

Have you ever played in a crowded casino? People asking what your action was happens all the time. That said, I try very hard to concentrate on what people are doing so I don't have to ask that much, but I find I ask more when I don't have my headphones on cause I never look at my opponent once I have looked at my cards.



ohnoyouagain (not verified)
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 3:39pm

Shortround wrote:
I agree . . . actually MORE than agree. I think poker at all levels ought to ban sunglasses, ipods, cell phones, blackberry's, headsets, earphones, et al. within 5 feet of the table.

:cool: You can be cool when you walk in and when you leave.

Otherwise sit down and play poker and show a little class.

:sad: Unfortunately it'll never happen. Class is a commodity in short supply these days. Too many Phil the Brat//Mike the Mouth wannabe's out there.

Unfortunately there is no Fédération Internationale de Poker Association (FIPA) governing body like there is for soccer (FIFA). Even so, FIFA really only dictates the rules played at the highest level of soccer, the World Cup. FIFA's rules are suggested for use by all other leagues and are anywhere from loosely adopted to strictly adhered to.

That being said, I don't see why we should stop with blue teeth? I think all teeth should be banned! And if you ban one glasses, you gotta ban all glasses! Ipods, Epods, Apods, Opod, Pea pods, Space pods, ban 'em all dammit! Cell phones, ear phones, mega-phones, pay-phones, Get Smart shoe-phones, Franc-o-phones (especially Franc-o-phones!) - not at my table, Frenchie! But why's the Man always always gotta come down on the Blackberry? How come it's never the Whiteberry...or the Asianberry? Have some class; get your 5 feet off the table!

One last thing. Are you a MexiCAN or a Mexican't? Me, I'm a MexiCAN!



Shortround
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 4:25pm

And you're also full of it ohnoyouagain!!! :lol:

If the headphone guys all paid attention and played like you and Pappy there wouldn't be any problem. You know the game and seldom ever ask if it's around to you or whatever. You guys are the exception though and not the rule.

I'll agree to get rid of all glasses if you use the cards with the big numbers on them. :wink: I've even thought about passing out mirrored sunglasses to everyone at my table just to "help" them do better. hehe The fact that I might be able to read their cards in the reflection never even entered my mind.

It's a personal thing with me. I figure that if I can't beat people without the "do dads" then I need to study the game a little more. I saw a study on TV that showed the vast majority of winners at the major tournaments don't use sunglasses, ipods, or anything else. When I see Doyle Brunson in shades and an i-pod I guess I'll have to join the crowd.



DaveMatterstoo
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 4:30pm

I just go after them on the table. When I bet and they are too busy to hear what I am saying, they are at the disadvantage. When they ask how much I be, I ignore them. They get pissy, and then they start to understand. ust take their chips from them, and they will have to leave. With their headphones and all. If they want to act "All that, and a bag of crap" let them. I also suggest just bringing up in light conversation to the rest of the table where "Headphone Boy" can hear, that everyone should attempt to knock out this player. When someone eventually tells "HB" of your joking intentions, then "HB" might realize what a jerk he is... and make ammends.



pokergrrl
Posted: Wed, 09/20/2006 - 9:47pm

Ok I gotta chime in on this one, as I have my iPod with me all the time. I use it mainly for two reasons, one I like MY music, and not every bar has music going and country music is just wrong on so many levels that I have to block it the best I can. The second reason, it helps me pay attention to the people, not just what they are saying, but their actions. You get to learn things about people and their body language, they may say one thing, but there actions can say another.

Also, I like to think that I pay attention to the table well and pay attention when the action is on me. In fact I think it is the overly intoxicated first timers that pay less attention. I do not keep my music blaring, I can hear the table talk, and sometimes it is just to loud in the bar in general with their own music and TV's that I can't even use my iPod, but I in no way think they should be banned. OK that's my two cents. Next.



Shortround
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 8:02am

:twisted: Well you've convinced me!

I'm showing up at the TOC Saturday in baggy shorts, dark shades, a ball cap on backwards, an iPod hanging from my neck, white ear buds, a cell phone in my pocket ( with some Black-Eyed Peas ring tones programmed to go off every 3 minutes whether I get a call or not), lots of 'bling', and a diamond studded card protector.

Can't figure out what the heck to do with my cane though??

We be cooool !



Pappy
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 8:04am

good call pkrgril....if we get rid of the ipods, then we need to get rid of the beer too, cause more people are not paying attention when they are drunk of their ass at the tables...



Shortround
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 9:39am

I'd love to get rid of the drunks too Pappy but you know as well as I that they are the ones the bars count on to pay PP to host the game.

Here's an idea. Maybe we REQUIRE all the loud mouthed drunks to wear iPods at full blast with big BOSE earphones so they can't hear. Maybe they'll at least shut up even if they don't pay attention to the game :smile: . They'd still be annoying but at least they'd be quieter.



Hanzo
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 2:32pm

Trust me...last night convinced me of running out to by an I-pod! I was at a table full of drunk donkeys that were driving me nuts. To my left was obnoxiously-loud-has-a-comment-for-everything guy, to his left was I'm-just-a-dumb-drunk-girl, and across from me was the poker-snob-who-could-out-play-everyone-if-it-were-a-cash game....OH MY GAWD! The bickering between these three had me pulling my hair out! I wanted to go all in with my seven duece just to get OUT! Obnoxious guy was trying to pick up on drunk girl, who them became angry offended drunk girl...then poker snob started bitching about a beat he took when his two pair lost to on the river to a boat. What made it even worse was I couldn't catch cards to take any of these guys out! It was pure misery...it's supposed to be fun.



Shortround
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 2:46pm

:roll: Been there myself Hanzo. I feel for ya' . . . I really do.

I used to have a regular Thursday night place to play and I had to just give it up because every game I played there started to become just that kind of game. Damn shame. I'd been playing there for over a year and it was, at one time, my favorite place to play.

Who'd expect to find drunks in a bar anyway???? :lol:



JessiJamesH
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 3:11pm

I have ditto pokergrrl. I recently got an iPod & started bringing it when I play. I used to think it would detract from my play, however, I have found that it actually improves my play. I find I pay MORE attention & pick up subtleties in players actions quicker. I also keep the volume at a level where I can still hear a majority of what is said. When necessary, I will pause the music as well (ie: when dealing).

I, too, can't stand country music & find it to be the majority of the music played in bars here. It's an awesome thing to have MY entire music library at my fingertips.



Shortround
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 3:30pm

:idea: Maybe I WILL have to try the iPOD.

While I appreciate most kinds of music played at a reasonably high volume I'm not big on country or hip-hop which is about all that is played. It might surprise you to know that oldies are not my favorite either.

:cool: I like Jazz. . . in all its forms. Try to find that in one of the PP bars.

With an iPOD I'd be able to kick back and enjoy it. My mind doesn't really handle two things at once very well but it might be worth a try.

Maybe my youngest grandson will loan me his to give it a try. Oh wait, he's got it loaded with Black-Eyed Peas and Green Day and Toby Keith. (Hey he's 9 years old.) How much would it cost me to go buy one of my own???



JessiJamesH
Posted: Thu, 09/21/2006 - 6:20pm

Shortround wrote:
How much would it cost me to go buy one of my own???

Check this link:

http://www.apple.com/itunes/

Or check eBay.



pokergrrl
Posted: Fri, 09/22/2006 - 2:24am

Shortround wrote:
How much would it cost me to go buy one of my own???

Poker Pub offers three in their Reward Points - - - -
1400 - for the 512MB Shuffle holds about 125 songs
3000 - for the 1GB Nano holds about 500 songs
6000 - for the 30GB Video Ipod and it holds about 5000 songs



Shortround
Posted: Fri, 09/22/2006 - 7:45am

Sounds good pokergrrl but I live in St. Louis area and they don't offer reward points. :???: At today's gas prices I'm guessing it would be cheaper for me to just buy one than to drive that far to play free poker.



justdaflava
Posted: Fri, 09/22/2006 - 2:57pm

Pokergrl, I can agree with you, however, a few of you that posted are the exceptions. I have to agree with the original poster that there are a few people that i see, that must have their volumes up loud enough that they always ask "did you check, did you bet?" If they are asking then they are obviously, not experienced as you reply-ers who have the ipods. I mean, if you have to ask where people are in the hand, then you need to focus a little more on poker and less on your ipod. wouldnt you agree? If you cant follow the table play, then is the ipod to blame? No its the person who cant multi-task!

As far as the blue tooth, the only thing I have to say, is why cant you excuse yourself from the table to talk, instead of talking at the table, just a respect thing. I have been to Vegas and Atlantic city, and a few of the casinos I been to, state no cell phone activity during play at some of the poker tables. In Atlantic city, some guy got upset because of the rules. Casinos set these rules for all players to enjoy themselves. Be happy that Poker Pub doesn't have rules banning these items during play, although I would agree, cell phones or bluetooth are alot worse at a table than an I pod.

~~F



dhoytinaz
Posted: Mon, 09/25/2006 - 12:32pm

I have played thousands of hands of poker with pokergrrl and I can atest to the fact that her ipod does not hamper her ability to know what is going on at the table one little bit, eventhough some of the time I wish it would. :wink:

This is the ol', "Gun's don't kill people, people kill people." argument. As far as I'm concerned you can do whatever you want to do at the table, as long as I am not having to nudge you everytime its your turn to act and then explain to you what has gone on in the hand up to that point. There are a few people that pokergrrl and I play with that this is required of, and none of them have an ipod.

DaveHoyt



Shortround
Posted: Mon, 09/25/2006 - 2:47pm

This doesn't involve the PokerPub games at all because there's no money involved so there's no payback but . . .

I would not be surprised to see a ban on headsets of any type at the major WSOP or WPT events.

Here's my reasoning: It would be a simple thing to manufacture an iPOD clone that was really a rolling code tuned receiver and have someone in the audience feeding information to you about what the best move is according to a concealed microcomputer. That might sound kind of 'star wars' but with the kind of money involved today it would be worth it and as an engineer working in a high tech field I know it wouldn't be all that hard to do.

Either that or the casinos could put in a jamming device of some sort but at this time it's a federal crime to electronically jam a signal unless it's the military or a specifically approved government entity.



ohnoyouagain (not verified)
Posted: Mon, 09/25/2006 - 3:11pm

Shortround wrote:
...It would be a simple thing to manufacture an iPOD clone that was really a rolling code tuned receiver and have someone in the audience feeding information to you about what the best move is...

Not far-fetched at all, but how would one transmit one's hand to the co-conspirator?

The "Banker" from "The Biggest Game" fame (I beleive his name is Andy Beal) had a small contraption built that he wore. Unbeknownst to his opponents (a revolving group of pros called "The Syndicate"), it would buzz him every 8 seconds. He would not make any moves until he was buzzed. He hoped that this forced "randomness" would throw off any patterns he had that the pros might pick up on. I believe when he wore this device he may have had one of his few winning sessions against them.

Going back to Shortround's two-way Ipod...where do I invest? :twisted:



Shortround
Posted: Mon, 09/25/2006 - 3:48pm

A simple Morse code 'button' in your shoe should do the job OK. Any two alphanumerics will identify a card (Ac or 9s or Td etc.) That means a total of 4 signals in Morse code (or something similar) would describe your hand to your conspirator. If it were me I'd probably devise a simpler code since there are only a few letters and number combinations needed. Might even put one in each shoe on different frequencies. The left foot could send the card rank while the right foot sent the suit. Wouldn't want 'toe cramps' to set in with a million bucks on the line, huh? :sad:

Thanks ohno. I think a couple of million $$$$ would get me started on it.

Anybody else interested feel free to throw lotsa money my way. :smile:



Hanzo
Posted: Mon, 09/25/2006 - 6:28pm

Quote:
A simple Morse code 'button' in your shoe should do the job OK.

Naw.....a micro-camera in the bridge of the sunglasses to show the cards to the co-conspirator and they reply through the headphones that are built in...like the Oakleys Jesus Ferguson wears. hmmmmmmmmmm



Shortround
Posted: Tue, 09/26/2006 - 7:37am

. . . has anybody looked really close at Ferguson's glasses lately???? :cool: hmmmmmm

Nah. He wouldn't do that . . . would he??



ohnoyouagain (not verified)
Posted: Tue, 09/26/2006 - 3:18pm

Hey Shortround -

Another link to an inexpensive MP3 player and my pseudo-review(s):

2GB expandable Sandisk Sansa (via DealNews)

I have a 30GB Vidoe Ipod and a 2GB Sansa. I use the Sansa and my wife uses the Ipod. The Sansa is compatible with Yahoo Unlimited (the music service I use) but the Ipod is not, so I use the Sansa.

[side note: Any way you go, I would suggest a flash memory player because if you're like me, you'll bang your player around or drop it...or some drunk will bang the table after a bad beat, catapulting your player 6 feet in the air until it crashes to the floor...flash memory can take that beating but if you have a hard drive, and there is a read going on at the time, forget about it!]

The Sansa I have (m250) is not as cool looking as an Ipod, but is not nearly as expensive either! I would rate them the same or near-to the same on Audio quality. I did upgrade my earphones to a cheap pair of Sony earbuds after the cable started to pull from the plug thus exposing wire (this was after about 4-6 months).

The newer generation Sansa (see link) is Ipod-esque...OK, it's an Ipod rip-off! So I guess it is an upgrade for form and maybe functionality with what appears to be click-wheel-style buttons (my m250 is a little bulky IMO).

I have not had the opportunity to listen to the newer generation Sansa, but I can only assume that the audio quality would not denigrate. The second generation Sansa also supports an sDisk expansion card (I think they go up to 2GB) which might be kind of cool to build a small library of interchangeable sDisks to swap in and out as you see fit.

Right now, I find 2GB to be a bit small for my liking. If I were in the market for a player now, I would purchase the Sansa linked above or maybe upgrade to one of the bigger Sansas (they have up to 8GB player available).

I base this on these reasons:
I'm quite pleased with my current Sansa.
I like the new form.
I like the expansion capabilities.
I think the price can't be beat!

Please don't turn this into a pro/con Ipod flame war! I like the Ipod a lot as well, in fact if Ipods supported Windows DRM (which is slowly becoming the standard) my wife would use a Sansa and I would use an Ipod!

BTW, here are my new glasses:



Shortround
Posted: Fri, 10/13/2006 - 2:41pm

Hey Ohno . . .

Wifey picked up a little Samsung about the size of a pack of gum. It stores maybe 250 songs plus has FM radio and works as a memory stick too. Not too bad. I think she paid maybe $50 or $60 bucks for it.

Next time I get seated at a TFOJ (table full of jerks) I'll try it out. :smile:



tpp52645
Posted: Fri, 10/27/2006 - 6:44pm

I will agree with the original poster with one item and that is with the cell phones. I simply dont answer mine I will see who it is but wont answer it.
I also find it rude to be at a table with a person that jib jabs on the cell half the time.

However on the ipod thing If I had one I would definitly use it would have an earbug in one ear only though but musics can set my mood and if i want to play tight I might play a classical song to keep me calm and reserved but at the same time if you do use these I think the person needs to be respectful and keep up on whats going on at the table and if that person cant they shouldnt be using that item.



svndce33
complain complain complain
Posted: Sun, 11/12/2006 - 9:28pm

the only thing i can agree on that has been said is talking on the phone, not paying attention, etc. is disrespectful. however, everyone in here complaining about people not paying attention and being drunk, take advantage of their stupidity. poker is about seizing any vantage point and using it in your favor. the guy next to you repeatedly being drunk or listening to music asks about your raise or bet, simply ignore him. he has eyes and can count...hopefully. when he starts losing chips and missing out on what's going on he will either A) push all in and get knocked out or B) start paying attention to the game.

these people are in your hands. you just have to grab them.